- Cruz Castillo on SANTA BARBARA -
Today I’m
presenting to you the interview that A
Martinez has granted exclusively
to "Santa Barbara Blog". His heritage is Native American,
Spanish, and Mexican. Martinez
was born Adolfo Larrue Martinez, III
in Glendale,
California.
He began his professional career at
twelve years old as a singer earning him a talent competition title at the
Hollywood Bowl. He graduated from Verdugo Hills High School in
Tujunga, Los Angeles,
CA. He was
in a rock band in high school and was on the track team. He furthered his
education and found his passion for acting at UCLA. He played on a semi-pro
baseball team for five seasons. Then he has starred in feature films including The
Cowboys, Powwow Highway, and What's Cooking?. He was introduced
to daytime viewers in Santa Barbara
as Cruz Castillo, a role he played
from the show's debut in 1984 until 1992: he won a Daytime Emmy in 1990.
From 1999–2002, Martinez
appeared on General
Hospital
playing mobster and FBI informant Roy
DiLucca. During his time with General Hospital,
he was awarded three consecutive ALMA Awards (2000, 2001, 2002). From
2008-09 he starred on One Life to live as Ray Montez. In 2011, Martinez appeared
on the CBS Daytime drama The Bold and the Beautiful as Dr. Ramon Montgomery. The role was
crafted as a recurring, 4-episode gig. Martinez has also
worked on prime time television, including starring roles in series such as L.A. Law., Profiler,
JAG,
CSI
and Criminal
Minds. Currently you can see A Martinez on the A&E tv series LONGMIRE as Jacob Nighthorse.
Reading
some of your interviews, I learned that you were initially skeptical to accept
the role of Cruz Castillo. Not so much because the role, but because it was a
soap opera. What did not convince you and then why you accepted the role?
I had seen
some soap operas when I was younger that seemed to be very poorly written and
directed. Actors would be asked to
maintain a “look” on their faces when the scene was over, so that the music
could build beneath them and lead the audience VERY SLOWLY into the commercial
advertisement to come. No matter how
realistic the scene might have been up to that moment, the “frozen face of
sadness” would pull me out of the story and remind me that I was just watching
a badly produced TV show. But other
possibilities were soon made clear: the casting director of Santa Barbara -- Reuben Cannon -- explained to my manager
that Santa Barbara would be
different. And that for me, getting to
play a character who would probably “show his heart” would move my career into
a new and better dimension. So I took
the chance. And Reuben was very
obviously right.
Bridget
and Jerome Dobson. Their fame is worldwide: they have contributed to the
success of General
Hospital,
Guiding Light and As the World Turns, before creating, producing and writing SANTA BARBARA.
Do you remember your first encounter with them? Can you make a human and
professional portrait of them?
Bridget
and Jerry were always very kind to me, as were their children, Mary and Andy,
who worked on the show. I believe they
had lived in the city of Santa
Barbara itself -- it's an hour's drive
north of Los Angeles
-- and were well aware of its beauty and charm as a location. My first sense of them came from a distance
-- before I had taken the job -- when Bridget in particular decided not to take
my “No” for an answer. She was determined, it seemed, that I should
play Cruz, and for this, of course, I owe her a profound debt.
You played
Cruz Castillo starting from episode number 12 of Santa Barbara.
Which were the biggest challenges of being part of a newborn show?
The
hardest thing was simply to finish an episode in a reasonable amount of
time. The company needs to complete five
shows in five working days, but when every one of those days is beginning at 6:00 or 7:00 in the morning
and finishing after midnight
-- a crisis is assured. I recall that
producer Jeffrey Hayden stopped me in the hall a few weeks into
production and said, “You have to stop losing weight. All of you guys are getting too thin, and
you're supposed to be looking strong.”
Some of us were sleeping in our dressing rooms over night, rather than
taking the time to drive to our homes and back.
We were desperate for rest. I
remember that the first time we finished an episode before midnight -- it was
a major cause for celebration.
Cruz was
initially very close to Santana (Ava Lazar). Then suddenly, the writers decided
to focus on the couple Cruz & Eden. I believe that the reasons for the
success of this pair are essentially two: the extraordinary chemistry between
the two actors and, as Bridget Dobson said recently to me, “The relationship
between Cruz and Eden was more forbidden, and hence more interesting, than a
romance between Warren Lockridge and Eden. Cruz and Eden had to overcome the
differences in their backgrounds and their ethnicity. Warren and Eden, though
not having the same backgrounds, were more alike. Forbidden is always
thrilling. Think of a romance between a priest and a nun. A poor American
soldier and a rich Iranian. The wife of the warden and his political prisoner.
When the impossible happens, the juices start flowing”. In your opinion what
were the reasons for the worldwide success of Cruz and Eden?
In your
quotation of Bridget, we understand immediately why the Dobsons have enjoyed such
great success, right?
It might
also be worth mentioning that the show was having a bit of difficulty finding
and holding an audience at the beginning.
Had it been a runaway hit, it's quite possible that Marcy and I would never
had drawn our star-crossed opportunity as lovers. But at the end of the day, for me, two things
stand out. First, and most important,
the Dobsons and all the other excellent talent in the ranks wrote absolutely
wonderful story for Cruz and Eden. Wonderful story that deepened over time and
toward the peak years -- occasionally approached genuine transcendence. Second, good fortune smiled on the two of us
when we were paired, in that we approach
the work from a very similar point of view.
We each came to understand the other's needs and intentions without the
need for too much explanation, which allowed us to work out the mechanics of
the day without a lot of stress or wasted effort. And left us free -- come showtime -- to just
go out and dance. I always felt that the
power between us was so much greater than the some of its two parts. And I knew, without doubt, that should either
of us have an “off” day -- the next day would be rock solid. That reflex resided at the center of each of
us, and it was invaluable to our long term success. It helped turn the whole experience into one
of the great pleasures of our lives. We
came to treasure one another, and for wonderful reasons.
The SB
writing team was excellent: along with the Dobsons, my favorites are Patrick
Mulcahey, Lynda Myles, Frank Salisbury and Courtney Simon. Did you can discuss
your character with the writers? Or was it forbidden?
The
writers you mention here were among my favorites as well, Pier -- and
indicative of the wealth of riches we enjoyed -- but I think that any
discussion with the actor about character would be reserved for the head writer
/ producers who worked above us all. I
did get to know Patrick pretty well during the run, but rather than discuss
Cruz with him, I was more likely to simply wait and see what he would teach me
about Cruz with any given script.
At the end
of 1987, the Dobsons were locked out from the Studios. I think they were robbed
of their “baby”. Were you there that day? Can you tell us what happened?
I don't
hold the details of this reckoning in my mind, and I don't recall if I was
working on that day -- but the thing that sticks in my mind here is that the
“bottom line” of the business generally trumps all loyalty and respect. It was never comfortable for anyone to be at
the helm of Santa Barbara,
for a simple reason. Though the show was
made on the NBC studio lot, and aired across America on the
NBC television network -- it was not owned by NBC. Therefore the show's great success
internationally was of no financial benefit whatever to NBC. NBC could only celebrate Santa Barbara if the
ratings in America
were very high -- and they were not. The
same qualities that set the show apart -- its original, quirky sense of humor
and its fast pacing -- were perceived to be weaknesses when measured against
the appetites of some of the larger soap audiences in America.
What kind
of changes it brought on the show?
I can't
say with any confidence -- given that the Dobsons had designed and launched a
great ship, as it were, and its course was not easily altered with any
immediacy. For me, the years in the middle were the very best years, and I've
always thought the key reason for this was the arrival (and eventual departure)
of Justin
Deas in the role of Keith Timmons. Justin, it seems to me, was doing something
significantly different from the rest of us.
I don't consider myself smart enough to describe it completely, if at
all, but there was a level beyond our typical tasks, at which he was routinely operating.
Sometimes I'd imagine him floating above the set, looking down on the scene like an amused, observing spirit deciding whether or not to depart from a desperate situation -- or swoop down and save it. At other times, when Keith's rage would arise, or a whiff of tragedy would penetrate his defenses, Justin would shift down and tear at your mind with the depth of his heart. He was brilliant with effortless regularity, gave me goosebumps on so many occasions, and infused Santa Barbara with an explosively unpredictable aspect that no other show enjoyed. That was a visitation from the biggest of the “big leagues” right there, and personally, I've rarely enjoyed watching any actor as much as I enjoyed watching Justin during that run.
Sometimes I'd imagine him floating above the set, looking down on the scene like an amused, observing spirit deciding whether or not to depart from a desperate situation -- or swoop down and save it. At other times, when Keith's rage would arise, or a whiff of tragedy would penetrate his defenses, Justin would shift down and tear at your mind with the depth of his heart. He was brilliant with effortless regularity, gave me goosebumps on so many occasions, and infused Santa Barbara with an explosively unpredictable aspect that no other show enjoyed. That was a visitation from the biggest of the “big leagues” right there, and personally, I've rarely enjoyed watching any actor as much as I enjoyed watching Justin during that run.
Jill
Farren Phelps was the one who more than anyone else decided to invest more on
the couple Eden / Cruz. Which are your memories of Ms. Phelps?
I learned
more from Jill than from anyone involved with the show. And when I say that, I am joining a long list
of actors from all the shows she's been associated with who feel the same way
about her. To begin, she counseled Marcy
and me to seize the opportunity we were offered when the writers first put Cruz
and Eden together in a provocative situation.
It was a three day beat of story, the two of them locked in a room
unexpectedly. “No excuses,” was the core of her message. No matter what might be problematic in the
writing, no matter what might be problematic in the directing -- no
excuses. What doesn't work -- change. What doesn't feel right -- eliminate. She basically put it on us to take control of
the situation, no matter how inconvenient this might be, or whose feelings
might get bruised. “Decide how to make these days great -- and do exactly that.” So Marce and I got together and went to work
on it with a vengeance. Those three days
earned us some real story, and in my mind, Jill's challenge was a huge reason
for our success. The grand lesson from Jill Farren Phelps is that while
talent and smarts and the right look and appropriate sensibility all matter --
what matters most is whether or not the actor can find the courage to step into
the work without fear. (Justin
Deas comes into my mind at this moment.)
Eden and
Cruz were WONDERFUL when they were in pairs, but also separate. When Robert
Barr (Roscoe Born) tried to conquer Eden, you have
given us your best dramatic performances, I believe. Did you like that
storyline?
Yes. Roscoe is a very strong man and a
very strong actor, and he had a very strong connection with Marcy. He got a lot of stuff out of me that I
normally don't access, since it's not at the center of where I usually operate
emotionally.
It is such
an imperative in this dramatic form that the lovers must face obstacles which
never really cease. And the honoring of
that imperative can sometimes exhaust the people responsible for maintaining
it, or allow them to create new impediments that sometimes don't really measure
up in comparison to the power of what they must break down. But Roscoe as Barr and Marcy as Eden were impossible to deny as
a legitimate threat to the survival of Cruz and Eden's relationship. I also thought that the writers were
extremely smart to know that Cruz's pride would work against him in this crisis
-- and they wrote that beautifully. That
colossal pride is something that Cruz and I share completely. And life has shown that it can be profoundly
destructive to a man's own best interests if he cannot come to understand it
for what it really is, and gain control of it.
Which were
your favorite storylines? And the worst?
Eden's desperate passage
through the aftermath of her rape (for which Marcy won the Emmy) was the best
of it for me, as a devoted fan of the show.
It's hard sometimes to hold it in your head -- just how great an actor Marcy
Walker truly is -- but that storyline allowed her to demonstrate that greatness
on a daily basis to millions, and for a long time. For me, that was the show at its very best. The
worst, of course, was having Eden
come back in disguise and pretend to be someone else -- and Cruz falling for
it. I still harbor anger toward myself
that I didn't walk away from doing that.
It was a disgrace. And to have
chosen to play it, my contract notwithstanding, was disgraceful behavior on my
part. One of the things I feel worst
about in my life, actually.
Patrick
Mulcahey said he left the show when John Conboy (the new executive producer)
said that he planned to make Cruz a polo player. How Conboy influenced your
character and the show?
In 1991
Marcy Walker decided not to renew her contract and she left the show. The Eden’s
multiple personalities’ storyline was much criticized. Fortunately the Dobsons
returned to their show and they managed to limit the damage. Do you think that
this was a worthy end for Eden?
No.
Then they
tried to put Suzanne Collier (Terri Garber) alongside Cruz, but this couple did
not work. In your opinion, why?
I'm not going
to agree that the couple “did not work.” There are many relationships in a life. The fact that some of them are shorter and
consigned by fate to follow in the shadow of something epic does not mean they
have no value. I learned more about
myself as a man in the shortest love affair of my life than at any other
time. And I thoroughly enjoyed working
with Terry. To this day, I follow a
simple piece of advice she gave me about the rehearsal process. Which is that running the scene three times
will tell you all you need to know about how prepared you are -- or aren't --
and will do so without killing the thing from too much repetition.
Is it true
that in 1992 Marcy Walker wanted to come back to the show, but this did not
happen because you had already decided to leave SB? News about are not clear.
Can you help me figure out what happened?
I never
heard about that, Pier. It may be true,
but as I was shooting my last episodes of Santa Barbara, I was
also shooting my debuting episodes for LA Law, and pretty much out of my
mind.
In 1992,
shortly before leaving the show, you wrote a letter to your colleagues where
you wrote: "Through all the yammering about the ratings and the future
teetering, Santa
Barbara shines
like a light in the millions and millions of lives. All around this planet
people are diverted, soothed and moved by our daily Efforts, Their Hearts and
Their spirits brightened raised ". Dear A, I believe that this light is as
inexhaustible as the sun, because it still warms the lives of many SB fans. Why
this light has never faded?
It was a
wonderful show, Pier. So many things
came together to make it special. Lest
we ever forget -- Lane Davies as the alpha son in the central family is kind of
tough to beat as a point of departure. The Dobsons' sensibility is unlike any
other that had previously undertaken the genre.
They assembled an extraordinary company of producers, directors, and
actors with which to execute the vision, and benefitted profoundly, I think,
from advances in digital technology that were just entering the marketplace as
we began. Unlike previous soaps, Santa Barbara could
capture the intimacy of lovers' whispers and scenes lit by nothing more than
candles. Our directors understood how to
take advantage of this -- and much more.
They were revolutionary as a group, really, doing many things with the
camera and its relation to the story-telling that had never before been so
regularly exercised. The show just
rocked, and, of course, it could be crazy funny, in ways you never saw
coming. A gem.
After SB,
you starred on L.A.
Law, One Life to Live and many other TV productions. In 1996 you came into the
cast of Profiler. How was to find there Ally Walker (Andrea Bedford on SB)? You
seem to have much chemistry with all the Walkers ...
Profiler
was a favorite not only for the presence of Ally, but for the pleasure of Coop -- a character that worked on a
higher energetic level than many I've played.
Defusing bombs for a living will wind a guy pretty tight. Regarding Ally -- she and I and Marcy
and Scott
Jaeck (Cain) had a lot of
story together during her SB run, and it was, I believe, her first major
role. She had begun her adult life as a
scientist in waiting -- I believe her specialty was recombinant-DNA theory --
and she brought that particular acuity with her when she became an actor. The combination of her smarts and soulful
beauty set her up well to play so haunted and brilliant a character as Samantha in Profiler. Samantha was tuned to some frequency way out
on the edges -- primal intuition manifested huge and fierce -- and Ally killed
it. I'll
mention here that several years ago, my wife and daughters and I attended Tracy
Letts' Pulitzer-prize winning play “August Osage County” on
Broadway in New York. It was one of the best shows any of us had
ever seen, and who is playing one of the major roles? None other than Scott Jaeck. He was, as you would expect, absolutely
stellar. After the show, I sent word
backstage that we were in attendance, and Scott came out to the street to greet
us. Knowing that my daughters are both
aspiring actors, he then proceeded to spend an entire hour talking to them
about the details of constructing and maintaining a life in the theatre. It was wonderful advice, and so typically
generous of him. You work with certain
people in certain conditions, and sometimes they end up feeling like members of
your family.
You shared
many scenes with Robin Wright (Kelly Capwell). At the time she was a debutant
actress. Today she is an affirmed and international appreciated actress. Which
are your personal and professional memories of Robin?
Currently
Marcy Walker has left acting to pursue Christian ministry on a full-time basis.
Are you still in touch with her?
I haven't
spoken to her in a while. But I am in
constant touch with her. She's in my
soul at this point, and she will be there on the day that I die.
Your
filmography is endless. Recently you starred on B & B. Can we hope to see
you as a regular character on this show? What are your future plans?
B & B
has no interest in making me a regular.
They have a lot of excellent characters on a tighter canvas than many
shows, and there's really no need to make room for me. I have several movies
awaiting release. One of them – “California
Solo” -- was well-received at Sundance this year and will be released
in the USA
in October. Next year I hope to do a lot
more work on “Longmire,” which is a show I love and offers me -- in Jacob
Nighthorse -- a character I love to play.
Meanwhile, I've written a screenplay that I would like to direct and I'm
working to get it financed.
It seems
you recorded only one album "Fragrance and thorn", why haven't you
made more ? Do you always compose and write ?
I continue
to sing through all other distractions.
But the writing of an album is a huge undertaking (Fragrance & Thorn
took two years to write) and there are so many other valuable things you might
be doing instead. Among those things is
the mentoring of the children -- helping them learn to write, as well -- and
sometimes it's important when you're helping someone begin such a craft that
you step back from it yourself and give them some room to find their voice --
without hearing your more experienced voice in their ears. Each of the children
has now begun to write as part of their life's journey, which has been a family
goal from the beginning. And now a new
phase seems to be dawning for all of us -- the screenplay I wrote has many
songs in it, and my son and daughters are co-composing those songs. Dakota and Devon
and I recently performed the first of these songs live, and there may be a
video of it to come.
When you
look behind, concerning your personal life and your career, what is your
assessment ? Did all your dreams come true ?
I couldn't
have imagined such a wonderful life, Pier.
When I was
a boy, the Dodgers baseball team moved from New York to Los Angeles, and I
thought maybe that meant I was supposed to play baseball for them. Turns out, I wasn't. But my love for them put me in Dodger Stadium on September 9, 1965. On that night, the Dodgers' legendary
pitcher, Sandy Koufax, pitched a perfect game, in that not a single
opposing player ever reached first base safely.
It was one of the most extraordinary night of my life, watching a hero
of mine dig down deeper within himself than ever before -- shortening his
career, I believe, for the chance, on one magical night, to achieve the
unachievable -- and I considered it the best thing that had ever happened to me
at the time. Here the radiocall by Vin Scully. Fifteen
years later, I was offered a role in a student film that involved the lead
character talking with his father about watching Sandy Koufax pitch. There
was no money in the role, and I was in desperate straits financially,
scrambling to finish refurbishing my house so I could sell it. But because I could not bear the idea of any
other actor playing that scene that so beautifully honored Koufax, I went and
did that movie. On the first day of the
shoot, I met Leslie. She would
eventually become my wife and together we would make our family, which is truly
the best thing that ever happened to me -- and something I couldn't have
imagined.
Unfortunately,
Eden and Cruz did not have an happy ending on the show. Can you briefly dream
with us for a few seconds? If you could write their reunion for a short TV
movie, where and how this magical moment would happen ? Which first words Cruz
would say to Eden
?
I don't
have the nerve to think too hard about this, Pier. I don't want to jinx it. But no matter where
it was set, or what the circumstances might be, I'm sure he'd say, “I've missed you...”
And she'd know it to be true.
And she'd know it to be true.
And we also know it's true. Thank You for this
interview that I wanted to post on the day of your birthday. Today you should
receive gifts. But you have given to me and to all of us the greatest gift: one more demonstration of your deep humility, generosity, humanity and care.
Hollywood has not affected your integrity and I am proud to have had the
opportunity of realizing it with my own eyes.
Happy Birthday, Mr. Martinez,
from the bottom of my heart.